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1) Listen to them.

They'll tell you everything. Just don't write it off as "humor" or "you know he's not serious" or "it's an elaborate hoax." Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean legions of true believers out there don't.

These are the people who have been poor for a long time. Their grandparents had some stuff, maybe some land. Their parents got caught in the 70s stagflation and the 80s recession. They've been working since they were teenagers and still can't get ahead. Their church tells them God will make them wealthy if they're good. The media sells them the glittery lifestyle they'll never afford. Their upbringing offers the idea that hard work accomplishes something. Now they're middle-aged, seeing their teen kids start working, and realizing they're never going to get anywhere. That their jobs are going to keep vanishing. That their social issues are never going to end as they want them to.

And they're angry. [livejournal.com profile] bradhicks posted a bit of trivia: when real unemployment reaches 20%, the US starts to have attempted revolts. There were three in the Depression, but we never hear about them.

People like this http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/2009/02/after-we-kill-them-what-to-do.html speak for a lot more people than we'd like to think.

Quoted in its entirity to prevent loss

February 14, 2009
After we kill them; what to do?
After the pending Second American Revolution results in killing the people who have wrecked this country -- yes, you KNOW who I'm talking about -- what are we going to do as a nation to move forward?

There are lots of very very serious things to consider. What to do with the people who are presently living solely on social security? What to do with people who depend solely on medicare? What about the infirm, the retarded, the disabled?

What to do about the debts incurred by the people we got rid of? Repudiate them? That causes wars.

As you might imagine, these are serious issues not to be left to haphazard guesswork after the fact.

I want to form serious working groups; think tanks, to seriously consider these matters.

Getting rid of the scumbags who wrecked the country is the easy part. We can take them out in under an hour. The REAL hard part is what to do once we've gotten rid of them?

This is going to require considerable analysis and forethought. The solutions they came up with over the past 50 years have literally bankrupted the nation. We can't go back down that road so what do we do in the immediate aftermath and then what do we do for the long term?

Your serious thoughts are urgently needed. I suspect the killing will have to begin very soon; likely within a couple months.

For those of you totally perplexed by who it is that has to go and why, read this article from WorldNetDaily that demonstrates the obligations of the feds now exceed the GDP of the entire WORLD!

Any of you foolish enough to think this can be resolved in any manner other than bloodshed are delusional.


A screen cap of his purported "last post" is here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/RoseOfAurora/Hate.jpg

So listen. Listen to the Coulters who call liberals traitors, who advocate extinguishing other religions by forced conversion. Listen to the Limbaughs who magnanimously don't want to kill ALL liberals, but leave two on each campus as living fossils. Listen to Paul Cameron when he says, “Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals.” (he's been advocating for it since 83)

Listen to those who have murdered or inspired others to murder.

And listen to their foot-soldiers like Adkisson, the UU church shooter.
“I thought I’d do something good for this Country Kill Democrats til the cops kill me....Liberals are a pest like termites. Millions of them Each little bite contributes to the downfall of this great nation. The only way we can rid ourselves of this evil is to kill them in the streets. Kill them where they gather. I’d like to encourage other like minded people to do what I’ve done. If life aint worth living anymore don’t just kill yourself. do something for your Country before you go. Go Kill Liberals."

They tell us exactly what they're planning.
The problem is, no one believes them until they do it.

2) Look at what they accuse liberals of doing. They're doing it right now.



Gay snipers. Shooting at families in church...

Any time a conservative opens his mouth, listen. They're warning you, even when they're projecting.

Date: 2009-02-17 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Speaking of projecting...I think you're doing quite a bit of it yourself.

Conservatives aren't angry. Studies have continuously shown that conservatives generally are more content with their lives.

And if you want proof of the opposite, all you have to do is attend any liberal protest and witness the hatred and angry vitriol exhibited there.

Date: 2009-02-17 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nbrooks.livejournal.com
Oh, hello anony-mouse.

Wanna sign in with a name before you play I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I?

Yes, those angry, angry liberal protestors. Wanting equal rights, and pay and healthcare for everyone. The nerve of those monsters!

Date: 2009-02-17 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valarltd.livejournal.com
How in the world is using conservative pundits' OWN WORDS projecting?

Of course, conservatives can be self-satisfied. They think they're right. And as long as the world doesn't intrude on them, they don't have to care.

Liberals know things are wrong. They are angry at the wrongs and want to set them right.
Edited Date: 2009-02-17 09:42 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-02-17 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyren-2132.livejournal.com
It seems to me like you're lumping all conservatives in with right-wing extremists and that's no more helpful, useful or correct than lumping all liberals in with the left-wing extremists.

Date: 2009-02-17 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valarltd.livejournal.com
It's a matter of how do you tell the nut-jobs from the others?

I can't. It's not my job.

Like Christians and men, I consider conservatives dangerous until proven otherwise. I know. I used to be one.

Date: 2009-02-17 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nbrooks.livejournal.com
"Insurgency, we understand perhaps a little bit more because of the Taliban," Sessions said during a meeting yesterday with Hotline editors. "And that is that they went about systematically understanding how to disrupt and change a person's entire processes. And these Taliban -- I'm not trying to say the Republican Party is the Taliban. No, that's not what we're saying. I'm saying an example of how you go about [sic] is to change a person from their messaging to their operations to their frontline message. And we need to understand that insurgency may be required when the other side, the House leadership, does not follow the same commands, which we entered the game with."

Date: 2009-02-17 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nbrooks.livejournal.com
And to make a more personal message. I'm about as much of a left wing extremist as you can get. Pinko commie territory leftist.

This extremist thinks there's no justification for murder of conservatives. I may say my people and their people might need to part ways and start different countries to be run reflecting our personal value system, and I wish them well in their endeavor, but executing them? No. There's no place in a civilized world for that kind of behavior.

Right wing extremists always take the "shoot em, let God sort em out" option right out of the gate. And that's a pretty fundamental difference in the so-called extremes.

Date: 2009-02-17 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyren-2132.livejournal.com
I would never argue that there aren't vast differences between the extremes -- which was the exact point I was trying to get across, actually. What I was trying to get at is the squares and rectangles thing.

Just like all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares, all right-wing extremists are conservatives but not all conservatives are extremists and the same goes liberals/left-wing extremists.

Date: 2009-02-17 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valarltd.livejournal.com
Also, you've done the usual dismissal of the mainstream rightwing media personalities as "extremist."

Coulter, Limbaugh, Karl Rove, et al are NOT extremists. They are the mainstream of conservative thought.

Date: 2009-02-17 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyren-2132.livejournal.com
They are the mainstream of conservative thought.

I do not agree, so I guess we won't be finding common ground on this particular piece of the topic.

Date: 2009-02-17 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valarltd.livejournal.com
The extremists are like the guy calling for violent revolution. He's got a minor net platform.

The mainstream has books and radio and TV and actual political power, like Rove in the thick of the last administration. They say the same sort of hate, they just package it a little more nicely, observe a few more code words.

Date: 2009-02-18 04:54 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The D-Man Checks In: Anyone but me notice that the video was nothing but pretty upper/middle-class white people? Okay... One (count him, 1) African-American little boy with glasses sitting in the back corner of a grade school classroom. That was the extent of anything/anybody non-Caucasian.

By & large I must agree that the Conservatives do not present as angry or just plain whacked-out like many Liberals do (agruably both their greatest strength & liability). That does not make them any less dangerous. As I recall, the Nazi movement in Germany was a Conservative movement too. They cleverly & calmly packaged & presented their hatred, then took over... then quietly eliminated anyone who did not fit their Conservative mold. As I recall, the Nazi movement also used a cross as their symbol.

I'm certainly anti-Liberal in most cases--as their propensity to act out & cause chaos disturbs me--but the Conservative Right & its ability to organize, generate mass-appeal plus contagious social activism scares me.

Date: 2009-02-18 05:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jmie.livejournal.com
Politically, the Republican party is in shambles, and I think it's hilarious. I'm sorry, I'm not saying all conservatives are Republicans, but I just have to laugh, like it's something personal; well, abuse of power can do that to a person.

Seriously though, I'm a liberal, and I'm certainly not perfect. I hope to see the country (the United States) somehow, magically move closer together. Or by hard work, somehow.

I don't like to generalize; I know we've all had our experiences, but I've met some of the nastiest conservatives that there are, who hid under the guide of being "polite" or "progressive," which was a new twist.

It's like some, a lot of the conservatives that I've met, are intolerant, unwilling to reason, and being "nice," to them, is grounds for "your opinions don't matter," seen as a weakness. There is no compromise. There is no agree to disagree. There's more of the same old jargon and fear tactics.

The one thing I keep noticing from right-wing extremists or even people who call themselves the voice of the so-called-middleground, like McCain, is the use of fear.

But, in the end, you'll always have crazy conservatives that'll do hate-filled, stupid acts and crazy liberals that will do the same for their own reasons/beliefs. True, some people listen to Rush, but that's not the majority of America. That's middle-aged, white men, if I recall.

Sorry to go back to McCain, but well, I think he's probably the voice of middle conservative America or was. I'm no conservative expert, but he seemed reasonable, years ago, to me. The problem is, where the country is right now, the Republican platform moved so far right that there was just a large disconnect. People just aren't willing too move that far from the center, right or left.

Anyway, that's just how I see it. I don't pretend to be an expert, but I'm not afraid of a miserable little bastard that spews hate like Limbaugh. Or anyone who agrees with that lunatic.

Hate to paraphrase Rodney King, but can't we all just get along? (Waits for the inevitable "no!" that I've been hearing since elementary school.)

Conservatives aren't angry. Studies have continuously shown that conservatives generally are more content with their lives. Oh, I'd absolutely love to see these "studies."

Date: 2009-02-18 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragon-lord.livejournal.com
Conservatives scare me.

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