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I don't know why anyone is surprised.

For every LJ liberal with gay friends or a same-sex spouse, there are 3-9 real world folks who would just as happily see all the queers rounded up and shot like rabid dogs, or at least deported back where they came from and away from defiling Murrican soil.

For every pro-choice blogger, there is a real world person who blockades or bombs the clinics.

For every astute political commentator here, there are three knotheads shouting "My country, right or wrong! And we're Never Wrong. Go Back to France, you traitors!"

For every atheist, agnostic, or non-Christian, there are 4 Christians in this country. At least 2 of whom favor making it a theocracy.

For every Christian who recognizes that when the church dictates to the state, the state can also dictate to the church, there is another who thinks that's just dandy.


I had hoped for the best. I was pleasantly surprised that Kerry managed 48% of the vote. Not bad for a "placeholder candidate." He was, and we knew this back in March. Somewhere, he forgot that and started trying to win. Somewhere we forgot it and thought he might.

Everyone who is balking at that concession speech needs to think about why it was made, and the probable pressure from TPTB, the kingmakers of the parties (who are the same people for both parties), who said "Whoa, what's this? Take your fall nicely or you'll never work in politics again."

But this election has confirmed my worst observations about people.

"There are two things humans have never satisfied: their curiosity and their greed."
And there isn't much most people I know in real life are curious about.

For the religious right, and especially the women who are working so diligently to lose their own rights, I hope you enjoy the world you've wished on us.

Me, I curse you.

May your daughters die of draino douches trying to end pregnancies they are too frightened to tell you of.
May your sons contract AIDS from being whored out in the school showers by the president of the FCA.
May your wives leave you for other women.
May your husbands beat you and there be no place to flee.
May your jobs evaporate and the social safety net you've weakened not catch you.
May you lose health care on the day you are diagnosed with cancer.
And may your church turn its back on you for leading such an immoral life that these calamities befell you.

Date: 2004-11-03 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valarltd.livejournal.com
I doubt it.

The rage has been building for 30+ years. From the first time I was told my imagination was wicked, because the Bible never uses the two words seperately.

I am a recovering fundamentalist. I know exactly what they believe and have done no more than wish the fruits of those beliefs back on their heads.

What I am ashamed of, and do regret, is the 20 years I spent trying to conform to their beliefs in hopes of passing for "a good person."

Date: 2004-11-03 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hobsonphile.livejournal.com
Sorry, you get no sympathy from me. I know Christians now. Many of them. They are good people. They are not bombing abortion clinics, nor beating gays, nor agitating for Christianity to be declared the national religion. Not even a majority of Christians are. They have beliefs that are in some instances opposed to mine, but for most, those beliefs are not held out of malice. What's more, they are doing good things for their surrounding communities. Several years ago, I volunteered at an inner city charity clinic run by a Christian Church.

It seems in throwing out the baby with the bath water, you've brought yourself no closer to the goal of being "a good person." "A good person" does not wish ill upon others, nor project their own personal issues on people he or she doesn't know.

Date: 2004-11-03 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valarltd.livejournal.com
I don't think I asked about sympathy.

I know a great number of Christians. Most are, at heart, good people. Most try to do good things and help others. Even the fundamentalists.

The problem is, the fundamentalists have NO curiosity, and do not value thought. The Bible solved everything, and it's been set in stone for 400 years. The beliefs are not held out of malice but out of clinginess. Change is hard and thought hurts.

They aren't beating gays, for the most part. They just want us to shut up, and go away. And you can't tell me a majority doesn't think that way when my state went 3 to 1 against same-sex marriage.

They aren't bombing as much as they are blockading.
And if you think there is not a very large subset that wants us to be Christian Nation, you don't live in the South.

I gave up on being a good person a very long time ago.
I figured out that all I could ever do was pass for one. Even passing got to be too much trouble. I prefer to be a lukewarm, Laodocean Christian.

And I am, at base, only human. One post, of anger and scorn, that's it. I've done my best to be positive, upbeat and calm about the whole thing. And tomorrow, I will channel my anger into productivity.

But tonight, I'm just wallowing a little and psyching myself up to do something positive with all of this.

Date: 2004-11-03 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raincitygirl.livejournal.com
Practicing Anglican (Episcopalian in the USA) checking in here. There's a hell of a lot more to Christianity than gays and abortion. Feeding the hungry, healing the sick, having compassion on outsiders who were despised by the self-righteous community, Jesus was a liberal, damnit!

God gave us brains, with the expectation that we would use them. Unfortunately a lot of people who claim to be good Christians (and I know quite a few. My best friend from childhood was 'born again' at seventeen, and I know a lot of fundamentalists through her) are more interested in hatred and condemning the behaviour of others than in loving their neighbours or *thinking* about their faith instead of blindly following what their pastor tells them.

Date: 2004-11-04 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hobsonphile.livejournal.com
But tonight, I'm just wallowing a little and psyching myself up to do something positive with all of this.

You do that.

There's a huge, screaming argument we can have about this, but I'd prefer not to have it. I will say, however, that it seems to me that you've traded one sort of fundamentalism for another entirely. And that will be my last word on the subject.

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