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The Auto bailout didn't pass.
The Republican minority in the Senate killed it as a big "Fuck You" to the American Blue-Collar Worker. For being "Pro American/America first" they surely hate the people who make the country run.

I'm terrified. I may not have a job after the new year. We can't live on my husband's income. I carry the health insurance...and we have 2 mentally ill children, one with bad ears and I'm trying NOT to go into cervical cancer. The local truck lines are laying people off. The freight's not there to move.

It isn't just Michigan that will be affected.
The sheet metal stamping factory in Twinsburg OH, the manufacturing center in Belvedere IL, the plastic company in Mishawaka IN, the brake maker in Cincinnati OH, the Youngstown OH location, the assembly plants (there are 4) in Shreveport LA... Every one of those is going to go down if GM folds.

There are nine little family-owned dealerships I deliver to. The other driver on my linehaul has 16. Multiply that by 300 throughout the south, not to mention our office support staff... We're talking about 30,000 people. And that's just GM!

On a day when the Shrub looks like my last, best hope, I'm feeling very damn desperate. That's like depending on Charlie Brown to actually win a ball game.

Date: 2008-12-12 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] partly-bouncy.livejournal.com
:( Crap. I wish there was something I could say which would be helpful. :(

Date: 2008-12-12 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cbpotts.livejournal.com
I'm sorry. I think they're killing it on purpose, frankly -- hand Obama a big enough mess, he won't be able to fix it, and in 4 years, we'll go back to the Evil One's control.

Date: 2008-12-12 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonstone-fae.livejournal.com
My dad drove a truck and his entire company folded. My mom's company notified them yesterday that they are laying everyone off as of the 19th. The whole thing is pretty scary. I'm grateful that both Jack & I still have our jobs.

Date: 2008-12-12 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitzheng.livejournal.com
... I have no words.

I've been so stressing about this. Both my parents work in auto industry/auto related industry and live in an auto-industry-dependent area. Both are quite grim about their future jobs. Layoffs were already going to happen whether the bailout happened or not, but now ... I don't know what will happen.

This makes me sick. They gave money to bankers involved in what was basically betting schemes on stocks. But not to people who make an actual, tangible product.

Date: 2008-12-12 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reannon.livejournal.com
I honestly think the CEOs are equally responsible as the Republicans for this debacle. They had no real, clear, concise plan for how they intended to save their companies, just "we need cash." The bankers at least had some kind of humility: they admitted, "Yeah, we fucked up, but here's how you can make sure we don't do it again." It was still incredibly unpopular, and politicians care about what's popular more than what's actually useful.

Their initial appearance was so clueless it made my teeth hurt. They had no real apologies for continuing to focus on gas-guzzling SUVs for their primary products as gas prices rose to $4 a gallon, they flew in separate corporate jets to beg for cash, they wouldn't agree to reduce their own salaries, they would not give any assurances that the bailout would, in fact, keep them out of bankruptcy... they made such a poor impression that they made it politically impossible for the Senate to approve it. I am frankly surprised that round two went as far as it did. I was shouting at the TV screen: "Don't you people have PR men? Did you LISTEN to them?" Icon aimed at them.

For once, the fact that Shrub has a foot out the door might help you, dear. He has no one to impress. On the other hand, he might not be smart enough to sign his name at this point. His sole act yesterday was giving a Santa Claus a fist-bump. Saw it on the Daily Show. *facepalm*

Date: 2008-12-12 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mother2012.livejournal.com
I expect you're right, that it's a big 'fuck you' to the American people. And after all, the republicans don't much care about the working people anyway. We really don't count, you know. You have to be rich to count.

Date: 2008-12-12 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisichance.livejournal.com
Didn't they buy off enough of congress to get their way? Maybe they should talk to the communications corps. to get some ideas on how to do that.

It is really scary how many people it would affect. And, it totally makes my paranoia kick in, when I read about this, then remember the articles I read a couple months back on how the armed forces are training their soldiers to "deal with uprisings" in the US. At the time, I couldn't picture food riots. Now I can.



Date: 2008-12-12 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bittermint.livejournal.com
According to this morning's news, now Bush is saying they could give the auto industry some of the banking bailout money. I can't believe he's gonna come out of this looking like some fucking White Knight.

But honestly, I don't feel sorry for the Big 3 at all. The auto industry's known for years that this gas-guzzling SUV juggernaut couldn't last forever. They sat idly by while Honda and Toyota ate away at their market share and developed hybrid technology. They could have been much more pro-active about upgrading their product for the future, and instead they chose to do nothing. Frankly, I think these companies deserve to fail.

However, I do feel sorry for all the innocent workers who'll be left out in the cold if they do collapse. For that reason alone, I hope the Bush White House gets off its lame-duck ass and rides to the rescue. I hope they aren't cynical enough to put millions of people out of work just so the Repugs can torpedo Obama's presidency before it even gets started.

Date: 2008-12-12 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nbrooks.livejournal.com
I just love all the union blaming going on during the evening news tonight. Katie Couric's all: "Don't you union people get 42 personal days, 5 weeks of vacation, and 17 paid holidays? Don't you think that's excessive with the state of the economy as it is?"

Yes, because the true equalizer is to take good benefits away from everyone instead of making sure everyone gets good benefits. The USA is the kindergarten teacher who a few members of her students can't share toys. Her answer? Take all the toys away from everyone. There, you're equal now! How's it feel?

(frozen)

Date: 2008-12-13 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmyjag.livejournal.com
Polls have shown that over half of Americans are against any auto bailout. To be fair, most of the senators were likely voting their constituent's wishes. Which is sort of what they're elected to do.

I think borrowing $15 billion from China to delay the inevitable for 3 months if just throwing good money after bad. People *still* are going to prefer foreign cars in March, so what good would a bailout now be? We'll be paying hundreds of billions of dollars to keep the big three afloat until they can get it together and make a car that people will want to buy. Chapter 11 restructuring makes more sense.

I'm trying NOT to go into cervical cancer
Cervical cancer is the direct result of STD's (namely, genital warts) so....do we need to have the condom talk?

Date: 2008-12-13 06:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nbrooks.livejournal.com
Picking up frozen thread, but keeping on the topic at hand:

"People *still* are going to prefer foreign cars in March, so what good would a bailout now be?"

Because 3.5 million americans have their jobs at risk (and more as the aftershocks of 3.5 million ripples through the affected communities - restaurants, stores, tourism). People without jobs leads to less spending, less eating out. Less spending and eating out leads to cooks, servers, cashiers, stockers out of work.

People out of work leads to loss of health insurance which puts a toll on that system even worse than it's already got now.

I realize that those in the health industry have some job security at the moment. But the career also requires some compassion for the communities served. Having a whole shit-ton of new uninsured shouldn't be a medical professional's dream come true either.

What good will it do? Maybe nothing. But if it can even *possibly* keep more people in their jobs longer, we have to try.

Date: 2008-12-16 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shinymarigold.livejournal.com
Word. The Big Three may have their flaws, but they employ so many more people than the ones on their books. If they go bankrupt and can't restructure into something useful, we are all screwed, plain and simple.

My dad put in his 30 at GM, and was a good union man all his life. He was also honest and hardworking, and I have no doubt that he did a good job for GM every day of that 30 years. It makes me ill to think that a bunch of assholes in Congress would be pleased and happy to screw my widowed mother out of her health benefits just to count coup on the UAW. Bastards.

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